Girls look good in skirts and dresses, it’s a fact. I’m referring to the classy knee length or longer skirts and dresses. Anything else and your sending the wrong messages to the boys. In my ever increasing but still relatively small sample survey, all the blokes agreed. However, this opinion is more universal than just my small cluster of participants. Some might take the idea a bit further and say that girls should wear skirts but I think that's just asking for trouble.Just to be interesting someone asked why should we want the women around us (i.e. our sisters in Christ) to be visually appealing? It was an interesting concept and something I had never contemplated before. At first I had no idea of how to get my
head around that, which is why I bet he brought it up.Eventually we came up with some thoughts together:
- Females should be feminine and look feminine
- Being feminine helps the male to be masculine and to fulfill their role as men
- If females know they look good then they feel good
- Femininity and masculinity are created by God
- From a strictly married person point of view, if the husband likes his wife wearing skirts because he thinks she looks good then perhaps she should do it as an act of serving her husband (1 Cor 7:4)
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Does anyone else get the feeling that this was written to rile me up?
First of all, from a totally non-biblical perspective, it's great to see that the patriarchal side of society is still alive and well.
Regarding your first point, who stipulates exactly what constitutes femininity? Your idea of femininity (ie long skirts etc) is different to another man's. And why should I wear a skirt if pants are much more comfortable? Practically speaking in this world, pants are a goer.
Next point. If a man can only feel masculine by making women less-equal (whether it be through their dress or actions) is it really masculinity? Sounds like bullies at school making themselves feel better by knocking down the little kid. And masculinity is not based on looks or feels compared to women. It's how he acts in certain situations, leads, composes himself, nurtures. Not the fact that he's the one wearing pants.
I find your statement "Anything else and your [sic] sending the wrong messages to the boys" quite ironic. So we're meant to think that someone like you who has made such remarks as this will respect us for our brains? hmm...
Point 3 no wonder christian girls start looking for non-christian boys when this kind of crap is laid on them (yes, i said crap!) I like to think that I am a girl of reasonable intelligence but comments such as this make me feel degraded. Going by your comments, I am meant to spend less time educating myself and accumulating skils so i have more time to make myself look pretty so I can feel good about myself. Why is it assumed that girls are the only ones who feel good when they look good? I think you'll find if boys know they look good, they feel good about THEMselves as well.
Next, what the hell is the comment "Femininity and masculinity are created by God". You think by making such an all-encompassing statement makes you right? Give me evidence! Back up that statement with something I can ponder or refute!
Next (perhaps most importantly) don't go quoting single verses of the bible willy-nilly as if that means you're right. I don't think that Paul was really thinking about a woman wearing skirts when he wrote that verse. if you read it in its entirity, you'll see that the wife also has authority over the husband's body. They are referring to conjugal rights, saying not to withhold sex so that the partner does not go astray. I think if you look in proverbs 31:10-31 you'll see what a real wife should be like. and may i point out verse 30 where it tells us "beauty is in vain". sure if a wife has that, you blokes can be proud but it's not the be all and end all. This also relates to my earlier point of pants being practical. If you're sowing the field, how on earth is a skirt going to be comfortable in that situation? look to her skill (in whatever capacity) and acknowledge her for that.
That's all I have to say about that...
Kate
Kate, it wasn’t written specifically to rile you up, but it was meant to be thrown out there to see what people think. It was more like a discussion paper to get alternate views, and you know how much I love your rants.
In no particular order:
* Yes, pants are practical. I never said they weren’t. I wouldn’t expect to see any woman “sowing the field” in a skirt, unless they were Amish. We have machines for that now. They are comfortable too so you’re not telling me anything I don’t already know there. By saying girls look good in skirts it doesn’t mean that girls look bad in pants.
* I did read the whole bible verse that I referred to and if a girl thought I looked good in a suit I’d go to a lot of effort to wear a suit as I would know that she thinks I look good. It works both ways.
* Yes, when I look good I feel good. But the blog wasn’t called 'Blokes in Suits' otherwise you’d probably be discussing my sexually. Which is completely straight if anyone’s asking.
* A woman being feminine isn’t the ONLY way for a man to feel masculine, it is A way combined with a lot of other ways. Some of which you previously mentioned.
* I'm not talking about making woman wear dresses/skirts either, so it’s not bullying.
* Just because I like the look of a girl in a dress/skirt doesn’t mean I’m going to go out with them just based on that fact. Any bloke worth his salt will take brains, sense of humour, values and conflict resolution ahead of whatever they might choose to wear. So stop feeling degraded because I rate you very highly as a person and as a female!
I have to tell you i'm pretty disapointed as well.
You obvoiusly have a gift when it comes to writing. And yet this is the second time you have felt the need to talk about your "sisters in christ" in a way that is not encouraging or flattering.
(i'm refering to the muffin top blog as well as this one.)
I'd like to see you write a blog that encourages us to grow in our faith as your christian friends and not feel like we are being critically assessed as to weither or not we are "visually appealing".
elise
Hammer
• First of all, I would like to say that one wasn’t a rant. After being disappointed by your post I carefully thought out my response, purely so that it would not end up being a meaningless rant. I actually took the time to express what I believe to be an opinion that is necessary to give in response to your initial comments.
• I sometimes wonder why you bother to make certain comments on your blog when, upon being challenged, you state that “well, I also believe the opposite”. I believe you did a similar thing for the muffin top blog. It waters down your thoughts. If you think something, stand by it! Otherwise, keep it to yourself.
• Next, I cannot help but be reminded of Isaiah 29:30 “The Lord says: 'These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.'” The major thing we learn from the bible is to love God and love our neighbour. Your words accomplish none of this. It’s all well and good to try and bring what you say back to God but when you try and make it sound like what you say comes from God, I cannot help but think God is sitting in heaven shaking his head. I believe your words are purely rules taught by men (who are stuck in the past!) Don't confuse that with something that we should kick up a stink about when someone is not following the right path.
• In spite of what you say in your comment, it is clear from your initial blog that these thoughts do not apply to men as well. By stating one side of the story you are essentially promoting that side. If the thing playing on your mind was dress code for all people, you would make that point. Instead you have decided to expose your ideas regarding girls. And if your overall point on the topic in general a valid one, I doubt anyone would start questioning your sexuality, despite your complex.
• I do not for a moment believe that if your girlfriend said for you to wear a suit “just coz you look good in a suit” you would do it. And if you did, I would then question your manliness for the fact you follow your girlfriend’s words, no matter how ridiculous. I would like to think that, first of all, your girlfriend respected you enough to appreciate your own decision making skills regarding clothing (surely you can make that decision on your own?) and that you were competent enough to make such a decision on your own (this thought also extends beyond your ability to dress yourself). Being in a relationship should not be about dictating to the other party what they should or shouldn’t do. If someone is blatantly (or surreptitiously) going against the word of God, then by all means, show them the error of their way. But you can only do this by backing up what you have to say through the bible. Essentially you have to educate them and allow them to make a decision for themselves rather than trying to impose your morals and ideals.
• I also find it ironic that in an earlier post, you bemoan the fact that cheerleaders are presented as sex objects, and you hail the fact that Rusty is ridding the world of them. But then in this post you have essentially stated that women can be reduced to looks and clothing.
• My comment about bullying isn’t saying you are bullying the girls. I was using an example of how certain people have to reduce other people’s status in order to promote their own.
• I think you still haven’t quite understood the 1 cor 7:4 verse. In no way does it support (or oppose) your comments, because it has nothing to do with this topic. It’s about conjugal rights in marriage.
I also agree with elise's sentiments and hope that you realise just how impactful your statements can be. I'm not saying you should not post such comments as this but be prepared for the backlash and have grounds for what you believe.
Kate
Kate,
Here is me standing up for what I think:
Girls look good in skirts!!!!!
Oh no, the world will end now that I have said that.
That was the only opinion stated in my original post, the rest were thoughts that came from a discussion with a fellow male. They were thrown out there to see what people think and you have certainly done that.
But now you are making me out to be the biggest sexist, male chauvinist ever known to mankind. Have you gone mad?
Here’s some words that you are putting in my mouth:
* That your rant was meaningless
* That I go back on what I think once challenged
* That dresses and skirts should be a compulsory dress code for all women
* That I would wear a suit when a suit isn’t required just because my girlfriend says so. Do you really think I’m that stupid??
* That by wearing a dress, a female is subjugated beneath the status of a man
You are confusing recanting with clarification. Maybe I need to clarify what I say sometimes because, despite my having at least a competent grasp of English written language, people do what you have done (twice) and respond to things that haven’t been written.
Just because I called what you wrote a “rant” doesn’t mean that it was meaningless. A definition proclaims rant as an extravagant, or violent declamation. Not exactly a definition of meaningless now is it?
As for the supposed contradiction between this post and the Bunny Girls Booted post. Do you actually call what cheerleaders wear skirts? Are these even the skirts that I am referring to? Do these skirts make a woman look classy, sophisticated and feminine? No, No and No!! Quite the opposite in fact. Heaven forbid that I may like to see woman looking classy, sophisticated and FEMININE.
Just because you don’t like wearing a dresses/skirts doesn’t mean that liking a girl to wear dresses can be equated to reducing their status and self-esteem. On the few occasions that I have seen you wear a dress/skirt I have commented on how good you looked. This is a compliment and should be taken as such. If girls can’t take it as a compliment then they have firmly jumped on the feminist bandwagon and have a series of their own insecurities to sort out.
All you Femmo. leftie communists need to drop the political correctness before you destroy society completely. You have already infiltrated the schools and universities and are spreading your demeaningful views. All My cousin Hammer here is trying to say is that girls look good in skirts, no more and no less. There are no subliminal messages behind his statement, so stop saying there are. Leave the feminism and political correctness to the dykes, there is no place for it in christianity.
KEGZ
Girls in skirts???
Hammer, what were you thinking?
Tim Campbell
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kegzy smalls
let me guess
you're all anglicans from sydney and you all live in your own closed little worlds and follow the bible to the letter no matter how uncontextual it is!
some of you are rationalising your thoughts based on some loose fitting scripture - its no surprise churches arent growing - thi sis the image that nonchristians have! an argument over skirts? cmon! christianity in australia has become the religion of no!
jesus conquered death and thereby set us free! in no way should that bind us!
I'm just waiting for the guys in skirts blog. I think its sexist to have one about girls, but not about guys.
David (Phone)
you have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this Tim...
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